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Parson Atreides
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:07:00 -
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I've noticed that people are starting to do the old "place a remote explosive down and detonate in the middle of a fight" to kill you again because they can't be bothered to actually try to kill you with any amount of skill. It's most notable on my heavy, where I can't always outrun the blast of the advanced/proto level REs (even after watching them place it right near me) before someone is able to set them off. |
Parson Atreides
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Posted - 2013.05.04 13:30:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:You guys don't seem to understand.... Increase Throw Speed=Buff=Faster Placement Increase Activation Time=Nerf=Takes longer before RE's can be detonated Increase Number Carried=Buff=Can carry more RE's It's not all buff, there's a nerf in there. Parson Atreides wrote:I've noticed that people are starting to do the old "place a remote explosive down and detonate in the middle of a fight" to kill you again because they can't be bothered to actually try to kill you with any amount of skill. It's most notable on my heavy, where I can't always outrun the blast of the advanced/proto level REs (even after watching them place it right near me) before someone is able to set them off. Or Gear? I see a proto suit coming there's no way my Militia Suit and exile are chopping out all the HP let alone standing up to his weapons, so laying an explosive solves my days when Protos want to rain on my parade.....
Get better gear, run with a group, improve your gun game, etc. I very rarely use proto suits or weapons in pub matches, but it's still annoying when someone can avoid firing one shot at me and still kill me within a few seconds before I've done enough damage to kill them.
If they're increasing the activation time in Uprising, then I'm less concerned about this. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:00:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:
I am using militia for a reason...to cut costs....and my gun game has nothing to do when you are fighting a superior skilled player and decked out in proto gear when they're going to cut you like a buzz saw through warm butter.
If you choose to run bad gear to save money, that's your choice. But that choice comes with consequences, such as being much easier to kill. Also, improving your gun game would help. I've killed people with proto suits and proto weapons with lesser gear many times, though probably never with militia.
Quote:I spot people's explosives quite frequently when I come across any, and I destroy them. It's a legitimate tactic to use a piece of equipment in game.
I wasn't talking about using them to defend key areas, I'm talking about throwing one down in the middle of a fight and setting it off because a heavy can't run away from the blast radius of a proto RE or you turn a corner, throw one down, and a few seconds later when the guy follows you, you just set it off.
People used to do it all the time back when there was no timer on the activation. CCP nerfed it pretty quickly because it was ruining any sort of skill-based gameplay.
Quote:Also, why is it that you are basically telling me to improve my strategy (run in group- which I do mostly for the rec.) when a very simple strategy is proven effective? I lay a trap and some one simply falls for it, so that's a bad thing? I don't see your reasoning for the single shot analogy either. It consumes equipment in the process, it's no different from a grenade....
Because you're complaining about how your crappy gear can't win fights, so you use a stupid way to win. Play the "it works" card all you want. Throwing down an RE and setting it off a few seconds later is pretty boring for both parties. The only fun part is watching how high their body flies.
Grenades need to be aimed and cooked (if you aren't used the fused-based ones) and they aren't a one-hit kill on every suit like an RE is. Plus they don't have the same blast radius. Plus they have their own indicator on the main screen when someone throws one at you. Plus they aren't invisible until you're right on top of them, like REs seem to be. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.04 21:58:00 -
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Again, I'm not talking about people who use REs to keep key areas or objectives locked down. That's fine. The problem is when people are using it as a primary weapon when it's a piece of equipment. It's like when people spend all game running down red dots with LAVs. At least you can see those.
If I'm stupid for wanting to kill someone in an FPS, then I guess I'm stupid. But by the same token, that would make all of you scrubs for not having the skill to aim or strafe.
Quote:the guy that get caught by explosives that take several seconds to arm tells someone else to improves  the irony
Yea, the item that you can't see when you run around a corner, or that you can't escape the blast from after watching someone place it near you because your heavy suit is so slow and the activation timer coupled with the extremely large blast radius on the proto RE is telling someone to improve.
Also, a Dust University player talking about skill. Oh the irony. |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.05.04 22:09:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:
Heavies have a con and that is their mobility, lack there of I mean. You chose to run a heavy, just as I chose to run militia, and you must take the cons just as I do. I deal with them by making tactical advantages. I'd expect you to do the same, you must respect the cons and make up for it in some way. It was your own fault for not being able to outrun an RE....
The difference is, I have no choice in the matter if I want to play as a Heavy. Are you saying everyone who plays a heavy must accept that a one-hit kill weapon that is almost impossible to detect and has an enormous radius should kill them even when they know it's coming? That's asinine.
Quote:Secondly, when you're enemy is out of sight, that does not mean out of mind. For all you know, around that corner, he could have rallied a friend with a shotgun, waiting for you to turn that corner. No different from anything waiting to ambush you, whether it's explosive, shotguns, Forgeguns (too many times), etc. It is not an exploit to use REs in such a way, in fact its very concept is based around it.
A shotgunner is still going to need to aim. It's still going to take more than one shot (for the most part) to kill me. I can still be rezzed if a shotgunner kills me. I can still theoretically win the fight against both of you, even if ambushed. The situations aren't the same at all. If I turn a corner a few seconds after you do and you've set up a RE I can't see, I could be the best player in the game and you the worst, and you'd still win because it kills me instantly with no chance of avoiding it.
Quote:Fun? What you talkin bout willis! There's nothing fun about HAVs in my opinion, on either sides of it, but some people find it fun. What is fun, is of opinion.
Part of the fun of fighting tanks is when you ultimately kill them. There's a good video about counter-play you should watch.
Quote:BTW: Cooking a grenade and throwing it at your face is probably easier to accomplish in most situations than it is to place an immobile explosive and hope to god an enemy actually gets near it. Remote Explosives are all about Location! Location! Location!
You can still see the grenade coming, it still isn't a one-hit kill for every suit in every situation, it still takes skill to aim and to account for timing with respect to distance between you and the target and expected trajectory, and it still doesn't have the blast radius of an RE, etc. They aren't the same.
Quote:It is of my philosophy that no tactic, no matter how low down I can consider it (redline sniping), is illegitimate. I frown upon Redline Sniping but CCP put the mechanics in place to allow it, so it is legitimate. I frown upon HAV spamming matches but since it can happen, purposefully on CCP's part, it's legitimate.
RE's, are not low down in my opinion. They are the strategists, weapon, for those who think ahead.
Well that's nice. But clearly CCP doesn't have the same philosophy because they've already fixed REs once, when everyone was using them as primary weapons that no one could avoid or counter. I'm fine with using them as strategic location-deniers. I'm not fine with seeing people placing them and still not being able to get away because the activation timer coupled with the blast radius is so powerful. |
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